a VirtualTourist member from Frankfurt am Main
Anyone have any experience of renting apartments through airbnb or similar service? I'm looking at different options in the city.
Hi - we've used vrbo.com and homeaway.com with success around the world. Be advised though that rentals in NYC for less than 30 days are illegal. Although you may not have any issues renting less than 30 days you risk being evicted and losing your money.
We've also used VRBO and Homeaway for various cities with success. But yes, NYC has some very specific restrictions regarding short-term leasing. Here's another thread where a NYC member has listed some of the "legal" rental options at apartment-style hotels in the city:
I had asked a similar question perhaps 8 months ago after meeting a German lady and her husband in Darjeeling. She was renting her place through airbnb.com. To my query, quite a few VT members endorsed airbnb.com.
I have not used airbnb.com.
I am not sure about short-term renting law in NYC but it appears that it is illegal.. I think there is a small print in airbnb website somewhere that says that renters should comply with applicable local laws if any (or something along that line) n airbnb would not be held accountable for any violations commited... airbnb is just an advertising portal n i think they assume advertisers know the local laws.. even in Singapore where I live short-term renting (up to 6 mths) is illegal but still lots of ppl advertise their properties in airbnb or similar portal.. most would feign ignorance..
The ethics of airbnb is an interesting side discussion and I don't mind going there. I actually already thought about this and certainly can see the problem with neighbours renting out their apartments to idiots and party people who don't show respect to their neighbours. But if someone in my apartment block rented short-term to visitors to the city (and I think someone on my floor does just that) it wouldn't bother me unless they actually did cause problems with noise, hygeine, etc. I don't think it would be justified for me to be hostile to people just because they were short term visitors and I had a problem with the idea in general. If I had a problem I'd take it up with the owner or house manager, not the visitors.
My first and only experience so far of this kind of renting came in Copenhagen. That was a much smaller operation: a local company organised everything for the homeowners, including cleaning, for a fee. I rented from a local theater manager who spent many weeks of the year abroad with productions. Their neighrbours didn't mind me being there at all. In fact because my plane was late landing due to a storm, it was the neighbours who met me at the door and gave me the keys. They saw me every day and were all smiles and conversations.
And of course I am respectful of my neighbours wherever I am living and no matter how long I am staying, even if it is a hotel. I don't see a short-term visit as a reason for being a "d-bag" to my neighbour, waiter, room cleaner or anyone.
In your example, giampiero, the "d-bag" is the owner of the apartment, not airbnb. He should be dealt with by any means available to his neighbours.
From what I understand, one of the reasons the law in NYC came about is because they have a severe shortage of housing in the city. They don't want people buying up apartments simply to use for rentals when citizens are having a difficult time finding places to live.
One of the other reasons is that many of the buildings are coops: owned and managed by the tenants. For safety/security reasons, tenants are uncomfortable with people coming in and out that they don't know. As far as I've heard, most coops have their own governing laws banning renting to outsiders.
Isn't the case with all unregulated tourism, though, giampiero? Look at what happened to those quaint fishing villages in Greece, Spain and Cyprus during the rush for tourist dollars. The answer is considered regulation that takes into account the needs of all parties, but that's always tough when advances in technology, like cheap flights, changes the game dramatically.
The OP asked about renting an apartment, not a room. He was also interested in "or similar service." Those recommendations were provided.
The specific problem here is renting in NYC where laws are different than in other cities - including my own. So whether AIRBNB or another resource, the often little-known legalities needed to be a part of the discussion.
I have, BTW, rented an apartment in NYC but did so before the law was widely known among travel community or even enforced to the level it may be now.
.....and it's really not enforced that much. it's on the books as a deterrent..for the most part.
I used AIRBNB and myself a airbnb host. It works out fine and I had over 50 guest in my house that were great from all over the world. i stayed in NYC a few times and really enjoyed myself, but you have to really read the descriptions and other peoples comments. I made friends with host in NYC, but still can not get a room sometimes because they are so busy and full. I would book months in advance for NYC and stayed in great neighborhoods and sometimes have a free parking space for me.
cheers tommy x
Hi Miss Fish!
It is not widely enforced; I agree. And when it is, it is usually in central Manhattan areas where I wouldn't (and couldn't) live. Airbnb is simply a middleman, providing a platform, much like craigslist. The latter doesn't vouch for the honesty of the seller, or the legality of the sale.
Thanks for your feedback everyone! Very helpful and informative.
Not sure why someone is voting everyone down, but it's not me!
Really hope you find the right place, Tim. Let us know?
(And nope, not me either)
Yes, I am aware of that. My previous reply was in answer to your "All this ended up being was a argument about the ethics of renting a room in ones house." I took the " a room in ones house" literally as the OP looking to rent a room in a residence the owner also was occupying. As the OP specificed an apartment - and didn't express an interest in sharing a space - that didn't seem to be what he was needing. And the legality around AIRBNB apartments - or those offered by other rental sites - was a consideration in any case within NYC.
Well good people, you have just demonstrated how a thinking person might not want to be a part of this community. The members in this thread are all veterans, yet as always when it comes to this bloody subject, some go of the rail, but for veteran members thumbing down on each other, because they disagree on a subject, is just childishly petty.
Don't think we don't know who you are.
Ther fine print says "was that response helpful?" Most of the comments were directed at each other and not the Original Poster. Who the h*ll are you to decide what is helpful to the original poster? As much as I love VT, every once in a while I am right ashamed to be in a association with some of the miscreants here.
Further, everyone knows that any sentance that starts with, - "For your information Mr Knowitall......", is a condescending way to start. Even further, those VT veterans, and there are several of them, that have been here for years, yet have nothing on their pages, no contributions, NOTHING, yet under the color of anonymity use VT for personal valet service, feel free to abuse other members who they feel are disagreeing with them, and then duck back into their holes.
Fortunately, we have a lot fewer of those nightstrikers, than most other travel websites.
(Original Poster, - I apologize for using your thread to voice this opinion, but it appears that you have all the info you need on that subject, so I did not feel I would ruin the thread. Sometimes there are things that simply have to be addressed.)
I saw that the other greeting to you was thumbed down. I so figured I would give'em somthing to do..........d:o)
Bowspirit, when you do a quote and reply, start typing UNDER the thin blue line that appears below the quoted text. Then your reply won't appear in italics.
Hey Jon, here is another one for you to thumb down. Why don't you quit acting like spoiled child, and be a better man? At least have the cajones to at least talk to me like a man, instead of hiding behind, - well an eagle who is clearly embarrassed to be the only thing on your HOme Page
Eight years on VT, and nothing on your pages. So you just come here to antagonize the other members, - no name, no nothing. Sometimes nothing, says a lot.
If I was going to thumb down a member I would surely let him/her know I did it, so as not to cast a bad light on the others. Anything less is just cowardice. Yes I said it!
This new look here is messing with your game. For eight years you have been able to thumb down in complete anonymity. Now that is no longer the case. Are you still going to be a tool, and just come here to antagonize or are you man enough to respond to me?
Hey G., if you feel my response should be deleted, - that is fine with me. I am allergic to bulls***, and I call it as I see it.
You go, my pupule Brah! Geevem the stink eye! The Three Amigos will ride again! :-)
Hey Kanaka, - I can't find your message.......d:o)
Stink eye for sure my ono makamaka.
Hey Tommy, - please don't thumb down anyone here. We rise above the pettiness my brother........d:o)
Hi - just testing to see if there's a temporary problem: doesn't seem to be on my end. Hmmmm. You tried just clicking below the blue line and typing, right? Maybe drop a line to the tech folks?
And be sure to tell them which browser you use. works ok for me in Firefox 19.0.2
I have used airbnb for both new york and california. I've used them for both couple stay and big groups. Both have turned out to be great, hosts wise and property wise. It's a sign where the owners are responsive to email request, otherwise don't go with them. Try to get a feel through emails of their flexibility in terms of using the kitchen etc. I've always avoided the ones that asked for too high deposits or cleaning fee.